Debate on Calvinistic Compatibilism Part 3: Derek Responds

Matt,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

You may be aware that there are “middle knowledge” Calvinists who affirm something similar to Molinism but in a compatibilistic construct rather than as a solution to the problem of libertarian freedom in light of God’s foreknowledge. Would you say these middle knowledge Calvinists are somehow less than truly Calvinistic in their theology?

To take this a step further, what would you say to a person who holds to an Arminian view of causation while affirming the Calvinists’ TULIP? Would such a person be a confused Arminian, or a weird kind of Calvinist? :) Well, more seriously, is the Arminian view of causation truly incompatible with TULIP? Does TULIP depend on causal determinism?

Historically, Calvinists have taken a variety of positions, from a VERY SOFT compatibilism to a VERY HARD determinism. A.W. Pink (depending on the day of the week), Vincent Cheung and Gordon Clark are in the line of the hyper Calvinists who are most likely to espouse the hardest form of determinism without apology. You seem to extol this as being somehow “consistent.” Folks like Piper, Packer and Frame are more likely to express a compatibilism that affirms human freedom as a mystery within (and even upheld by) divine ordination. I have read Calvin’s discussion of free will in the Institutes; he is a textbook compatibilist.

So I think it is a bit unfair for you to say Calvinistic ordination “collapses into causal determinism” and then disparage the softening statements of compatibilism offered by the more moderate voices in the group. This would be akin to me saying that Arminian free will collapses into Pelagianism (or perhaps Open Theism), while ignoring the Classical Arminian’s affirmation of Total Depravity (which strongly inhibits–rather, kills– libertarian freedom) and Prevenient Grace (which ackowledges the deadness and–gratefully–affirms our need for divine grace). I prefer to view the more moderate/mainstream Calvinists’ softening statements as evidence of a commitment to Biblical balance, preventing them from falling into the philosophical trap of hard determinism (the kind hypers veritably revel in). I do not see the softening statements as logical contradictions, but an attempt to be consistent with Scripture, grounded in the humility that confesses God’s ways are superior to our highest intellect.

In any case, I suppose a big difference is that I cannot see how God can be God without ordaining all things; and at the same time I cannot see man’s God-given freedom as less than a genuine, morally responsible and unconstrained liberty. Here I am just agreeing with Calvin and other compatibilists. We insist that God can ordain everything without denying his creatures real freedom. We cannot turn from either of these conscientiously held convictions.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

Blessings,
Derek

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Debate on Calvinistic Compatibilism. Part 2 Matt Responds

Hi Derek, thanks for dropping by. You are right I won’t bother answering all your questions :) I think I counted 19. As the quotes highlight and basic logic dictats Calvinistic ordination collapses into causal determinism. A molinist like William Lane Craig in some sense can say God ordains events in the world in the sense that he chose to actualize the world we live out of an infinite number of possible worlds–each a product of genuine free-will. To not court confusion a classical Arminian will want to avoid using “ordain” as an explanatory term for his view unless it is being used as a synonym for “wills”–as in God wills that sinful events occur in virtue of permitting them to occur for the greater good of preserving his original, sovereign intention to create man free. However when the Calvinist uses the term “ordain” he is talking about causal determination or foreordination of all thought, desire and action through irresistible decrees–down to what you typed to me and what I typed earlier that prompted you to type. Yes? It all becomes confusing vertigo. Whether hard determinism or soft (compatibilism) the end result is the same–we are not truly free to think, desire or act contrary to God’s determination.

In Calvinism humans (even Satan) only do what they were determined or programmed to do in eternity past through God’s divine decrees–which cannot be resisted or overthrown. In that sense humans and the demonic are unable to think, desire or do contrary to God’s meticulous, causal decree. Do you deny this? As an Arminian I believe God has determined and ordained to create a world infused with genuine, moral freedom of the will–rather than beings who are little more than automatons with skin on. Have you ever had a thought, desire or action that God did not decree or determine for you Derek? If you think you have than welcome to Arminianism.

Arminians believe God’s ultimate sovereign governance over this universe does not require that he meticulously determine every one our sordid, sinful choices to accomplish his ultimate purposes. Thankfully God’s sovereignty is greater than that. God has a perfect will and accommodating will. He has sovereignly chosen to allow his perfect will to be challenged for the greater good of his glory and our genuine love, worship and obedience. If you can’t understand why the Calvinist scheme utterly diminishes and belittles God’s glory and holiness, than you won’t understand why the Arminian perspective preserves God’s glory and holy character. Lastly God has ordained certain events but he does not need to meticulously predetermine the means to reach a predetermined, ordained end. Again–his sovereignty is greater than that.

Lastly Derek you ask “if anything can exist can exist without God’s initial creative action to ordain its existence?” Yes– agent causation. We are the ultimate sources of our decisions. Our decisions are caused by ourselves and they do not need to be initiated by God’s will in order to occur/exist. Bottom line: God possesses libertarian freedom. God is not initiated or determined in his choices by something external to himself– and we also possess agent causation and libertarian freedom in virtue of being made in God’s image.

Have a blessed week.

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Debate on Calvinistic Compatibilism Part 1: Derek’s Challenge

After posting up a number of quotes from mainstream Calvinists (which can be found HERE) I entered into a dialogue/debate with a fellow brother in the Lord named Derek. Derek is a Calvinist and interpretes God’s sovereignty and man’s free-will through a compatibilistic framework–also called soft determinism. Our debate revolved around my initial contention that his view of compatibilism ultimately collapses into causal determinism that invalidates genuine human freedom. Derek disagreed. The debate occurred firstly in the comment sections of my post mentioned above. It soon became obvious to me that it needed its own page for greater readability.

WARNING: The posts are long and we cover significant ground. However the issues we cover cannot be resolved adequately through sound bites–that always creates more heat than light.  We deal with the nature of freedom, God’s determinative decrees, logical implications, alleged paradoxes and mysteries, alleged determinative verses in Proverbs as proof of God’s determining of sinful choices, God exploiting sinful characters and overruling evil’s intentions to bring about good vs. decreeing sin and evil to bring about good, Joseph being sold into slavery, the predestined nature of the crucifixion, the problem of evil as dealt by Calvinists and the problem of evil as dealt by Arminian-minded thinkers (whether they be classical Arminians, Molinists or Open Theists).

PART 1. DEREK ARGUES:

Matt,

Thank you for sharing this great collection of quotes and your thoughts on them.

I can certainly understand not liking what you believe to be the unavoidable logical implications of Calvinistic theology. Fair enough. I hope you won’t mind my asking a few follow up questions.

1. So, you deny that all events are ordained by God, correct? And your primary reason is that certain objectionable events have occurred, and you cannot conceive of a good God ordaining those events, correct? I want to be sure I am accurately understanding your position.

2. Okay, assuming I have understood you correctly, what are the alternatives?

Does God ordain any events? Which ones?
What are the primary differences between “ordained” and “non-ordained” events?
Is God aware of “non-ordained” events before they occur? Or does He learn about them as they happen?
Can anything outside of God (i.e., creation) exist without His initial creative action to “ordain” its existence? If not, how do we separate this initial “ordaining” action on God’s part from the creature’s subsequent actions, so as to say that God in no sense “caused” or “ordained” some of the creature’s actions? At what point do a creature’s actions begin to be “non-ordained”?
What is the relationship between “ordained” and “non-ordained” events? Do some “ordained” events depend on “non-ordained” events (e.g., does the “ordained” event, forgiveness, depend on the “non-ordained” event, sin)? How does God “ordain” the good events without “ordaining” the evil ones that must occur in advance?
Does God have the power and authority to prevent “non-ordained” events?
If God foresees and allows an event, is He not in some sense “ordaining” its occurrence?
Do “non-ordained” events happen in such a way that God cannot be said to maintain any control over them, i.e. to cause, allow, or prevent them?
If these events cannot be caused, allowed, or prevented by God, what is His relationship to them? Does He have any authority or power over them?
In what sense can any event occur outside of God’s ultimate oversight and authority? Does He maintain any sovereignty over these events, and in what sense?

I don’t expect you to answer all of these questions. My intent is simply to show that it is easier to object to Reformed theology’s answers than it is to propose a well thought out and Biblically grounded alternative.

Thanks again, and have great weekend.

Blessings,
Derek Ashton

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Satan’s Strategy: Doubt What God Said. Doubt Your Identity.

Tonight I was listening to a short sermon online by Bill Johnson–whose profound insights I have come to appreciate more and more. He talked briefly about the nature of Satan’s lies and the root of his temptations.

I immediately began forming the following mini-sermon in my head. Satan’s “rolodex” of temptations–too numerous to mention–enter our lives through two primary pathways of doubt and suspicion. Not all doubts are demonic, but the nature of these specific doubts are themselves temptations of a demonic nature. Think of these two primary temptations of doubt as two doors which lead to other doors of temptation being opened, which in turn leads to more doors, etc. “Shut the door” on these two primary doors and we will discover that a great host of other temptations also become shut out of our lives.

The first temptation is to doubt the Word of God

By “Word” I mean more than just the Bible and the various nuances of inerrancy and inspiration. I mean doubting God’s authority and his right to overrule and reign supreme over our opinons.

The second temptation is to doubt our identity–or more specifically who we are in Christ. 

These prime temptations are witnessed in scripture. In the garden Satan leveraged the first temptation as follows: “Did God really say you can’t taste…” Satan knew that if he could create ambiguity and doubt over what God said–and therefore bring into question God’s authority– the conquest of man would be made much easier.

We see the second primary temptation when Satan seeks to tempt the second Adam–Christ. Immediately prior to the wilderness temptations the Father spoke unto Jesus through the Holy Spirit: “Behold you are my beloved Son.”

Soon after Jesus is led into the desert by the Spirit to experience desolation and famine. Satan bides his time and then finding him alone, isolated, weak and starving, he attacks his identity.

If you are the Son of God than command these stones to become bread…”

Satan hopes that by attacking Jesus identity he will arouse a reaction based on fear, insecurity or pride, and thereby cause Jesus to move in a miraculous manner independent and contrary to the will of his Father.

The first primary temptation didn’t really have anything to do with the organic substance of a forbidden fruit–and everything to do with doubting God’s word of authority. Left unchecked such doubts will invariably result in rebelling against God’s authority and establishing our own.

So also the second primary temptation had nothing to do with inorganic rock being turned into the organic composition of bread. Rather it had everything to do with tempting Jesus to react in fear or pride by putting his self-identity to the test.

END NOTE: I find all of this very contemporary and widespread in our world today–including the lives of many who profess to follow Christ. Satan isn’t very creative or ingenious–he just reinvents old tricks and updates them for each generation. He is still at his old game– seeking to create distance and confusion between us and what God has spoken to us, and to create confusion and doubt over our identity. In my previous post I mentioned a boy in Thailand who has been on a journey over the past few years to turn himself into a woman by taking hormone surpressers and submitting to plastic surgery. I learned more about him today. His story is all too common and only bolsters my personal opinion that nurture far outweighs nature when it comes to many in the transvestite, transexual community in Thailand and Cambodia. His mother died. His father abandoned him. Other men abused him. His grandmother raised him to be afraid of men. She taught him to doubt his own value, worth and identity as a man. He felt unsafe around men. He never received healthy, normal, physical affirmation from men–though inside he craved it. Somewhere along the line he started to completely doubt his identity as a man. It started with him doubting his own ability to be “measure up” as a man and led to him doubting his own masculine worth–or at least what society tries to say qualifies as “masculine worth.” He only felt very safe, comfortable and unthreatened around women and soon started to believe he was a woman trapped in a man’s body. Now years later, and after much money spent to alter his physical appearance and suppress nature’s course, he shuts his ear to anyone who would seek to point out he is still an XY chromosome man and that God still sees him–and loves him–as a man. He insists that God now has to see him and love him only as a woman. In that sense he refuses to acknowledge in any way that God’s perspective trumps his own perspective. In other words he does not acknowledge God’s authority or word as being above his own opinions. This is rather an extreme example of the temptation to doubt God’s word and one’s identity–but it struck me today that the extremes in life still come from the same basic place…the lies of the enemy. 
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What Does it Mean: “God Accepts Us the Way We are”?

Tonight I met a group of Christians in Thailand. We had a small time of fellowship and prayer. Within the group I noticed there was a lady-boy. For those not familiar with the term “lady-boy” it is the preferred term adopted by men in Thailand who seek to look and act like women–otherwise known as transvestites.

I was very glad to see that the Christian group had reached out to this individual and had not dismissed him or spurned him away scornfully as so many other Christian groups would be apt to do.

That’s the good news. Now for the bad.

After the meeting I noticed some of the Christian girls–including one of the leaders–fawning all over him, asking if they could brush his long hair and braid it. They commenced to give him quite the female touch. You would honestly be hard pressed to  know it was even a boy after they finished.

When the boy left I asked them some questions about the boy (who was about 18). I asked them how long he had been attending their meetings and how they deal with the increasing trend in Thailand for men to change into women. They replied that he had been fellowshipping with them for a year, and they “just show him God’s love and accept him the way he is.”

Nothing necessarily wrong there of course. But what does, “Accept him the way he is” mean?

So I asked. They replied that it means if he wants to be a women they affirm that choice, tell him God still loves him, and don’t seek to persuade him against it. In other words they feel no compulsion whatsoever in pointing out to him that actively living out a gay, transvestite lifestyle is in direct conflict with a life of holiness and truth that we are called to pursue.

So this got me to thinking.

What message are we sending when we utter the current Christian buzz phrase: “We need to just accept people the way they are.”

There is no doubt that contained within that phrase is a great and precious truth–God loves us in the state he finds us. And yet contained within that phrase is another truth–which goes to the very heart of why there needed to be a bloody cross in the first place. Namely that God is not content to leave us the way he finds us. To conflate the two truths as if nothing ever needs changing is to undermine the very essence of the Christian life.

The Bible says, “God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners Christ died for us” (Rom. 5:8).

So God does accept us the way we are–that is true. But he has very real and very motivated plans to change us! The journey of the Christian life is about partnering with God in that change.

The Bible speaks of this transformational change in numerous ways, such as: “being conformed into the image of Christ”, “putting off the old man and putting on the new man”, “being a new creation”, “being crucified with Christ”, “a good work being brought to completion”, “being born again”,”no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me”, “picking up the whole armor of God” and “putting on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its Creator.”

Dietrich Bonhoeffer once said, “When Jesus calls a man, he bids him to come and die.” And Bonhoeffer was right. For Jesus put it this way: “Unless a man denies himself and picks up his cross, he cannot follow me”(Lk. 9:23).

So the Christian life is about–transformational change and correction. It is not about staying static and unmoved in the manner in which God found us. The scriptures themselves are admittedly “for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness” (2 Tim. 3:16).

On either side of the path of true life there is a ditch. Overreacting to one usually results in falling headlong into the other. These ditches are what we can call “the extremes.” And all one must do is take true to an extreme for it to become error.

Unfortunately the Church today commonly falls into one of two ditches in its approach to sin. Either it will utter only condemnation and judgment upon a fallen world…orit will seek to turn a blind eye to the destructive nature of sin in order to affirm and love the sinner.

The first is a ditch because condemnation has never saved anyone–which is why Jesus said, “I have not come to condemn the world but save the world.”

However turning a blind eye to the ruinous and harmful nature of sin in the life of another saves no one either. If my friend has skin cancer and seeks my support and consolation as we walk shirtless in the sun everyday–I’m only enabling an activity that will one day take their life. In fact my willingness to “accept them the way they are” is rather self-serving and un-loving if in the end I’m too afraid to lose their friendship in telling them “the way they are” is unsafe and deadly.

Life in Christ is about recognition of need, recognition of sin, recognition of wrong, confession, forgiveness, repentance, self-sacrifice, transformation–TRUTH and LIFE.

The blood of Christ was given to cleanse us of all sin and purify our conscience. But the cross (that we are to pick up daily) was given by God to keep the old man dead and buried.

It’s all a bit odd and counter intuitive isn’t it? We are to live, breath, rejoice and give thanks daily…yet we are called to die daily.

For this reason Paul said we are “called to present our bodies as a living sacrifice (Rom. 12:1). And of course a sacrifice is something you put on an alter to be killed–not continued. Yet in the context of Christ through death, new life emerges. “Unless a sin falls to the ground and dies it remains alone, but if it dies it bears forth much fruit” (Jn. 12:24).

So in conclusion, if “accepting someone the way they are” means turning a blind eye to the ruinous and harmful nature of their sin–like adopting a transvestite self-identity based on a lie— then we must conclude that such alleged “acceptance” has no place in the Christian community. In fact such “acceptance” is un-loving because you are withholding from them truth that can potentially lead to a deeper communion with Christ (which only comes through death to self).

It doesn’t mean you have to change them. No–that is not your commission. Rather we faithfully walk with people as they journey through their sometimes messy and tearful process of discovering grace, truth and internal transformation in Christ alone.

It starts with love and leads to truth…because love loves no falsehood.

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A Struggle in Loneliness Understood–part 2

In “A Struggle in Loneliness Understood (part 1)” I ended with the claim that only God can forever capture our sense of wonder and amazement. I want to pursue that line of thought in this present post.

I remember years ago hearing author and speaker Ravi Zacharias state that at every developmental level of life it takes more and more to capture our sense of wonder, and that only wonder found in God cannot be exhausted. For example, let’s say you walk up to a small child of 3 years old and say:

“One day I was walking in the dark woods…”

Already you have captured the boy’s attention and sense of wonder. But if you say that to a boy of 13 his sense of wonder is not going to be captured so easily. He needs more. So to the 13 year old you say:

“One day I was walking in the dark woods… and I found a hidden door in the side of a mountain…”

With the added statement of a “hidden door” you have now captured the wonder of the 13 year old boy and his attention and intrinsic hunger to be amazed has been activated. But what about a boy of 17 years on the cusp of adulthood? He frankly needs more.  So you say:

“One day I was walking in the dark woods…and I found a hidden door in the side of a mountain… and when I opened it a BENGAL TIGER JUMPED OUT!”

With the added statement of a Bengal tiger you have succeeded in arresting the wonder of the 17 year old. And on and on it goes in various forms of life—as we grow older it takes more and more to amaze us and capture our sense of wonder.

Every toy, every hobby, every sport, every book, every movie, every career, every relationship–even the starry eyed beauty of a new girlfriend or wife eventually runs its course and ceases to capture our sense of amazement and wonder. Our eyes and heart begin to wander and we find ourselves almost unconsciously looking for the next thing, the next distraction or the new fresh face. Ultimately familiarity begins to breed boredom, discontentment—and sometimes contempt.

This is the human condition. We crave new experiences and fresh encounters with life, wonder and beauty to meet our insatiable desire to be amazed. This is not necessarily a bad thing. When we settle in life and never again bother to climb the crest of a new hill to get a better look at a radiant sunset—part of our soul begins to die.

On one hand I believe God created our souls to seek out and yearn for greater and fuller experiences in life. But on the other hand I believe only God can fully meet the need of the human soul to be challenged with something new. Only God can satisfy a growing need to encounter wonder–through all of life’s developmental stages.

At this point, maybe you are thinking: “But I get bored with God! I don’t find my relationship with God to be a constant and continual experience of wonder and amazement.”

I too can relate…a lot.

I remember when I was a teenager I often heard preachers say, “Is your soul hungry and thirsty? Come to Jesus and he will quench that thirst and forever satisfy you.” After all this is biblical isn’t it? For didn’t Jesus say:

 “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.” (John 7:37-38).

And didn’t Jesus also say:

“Blessed are those that hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied” (Mt. 5:6).

I use to think, “I’m a Christian. I believe in Jesus. I want to live righteously. If Jesus promises to satisfy our hunger and thirst, why is my soul still hungering and thirsting? Why do I still get discontent, apathetic—bored? I thought God was supposed to quench all that?”

Now that I am older…and hopefully wiser… I have come to realize that such verses are telling us that only God can meet and satisfy a soul’s increasing thirst and increasing hunger to be amazed and filled. In other words life in Christ is meant to be, indeed designed to be a life marked by progression and growth—not something fixed, static and settled.

In that sense only God can meet our desire to go on to new levels, new depths and discover something new. Only in God do we have something of life we can return to again and again… and still find an un-exhaustible source of wonder yet to be explored and discovered.

The problem is when we “settle” at a certain plateau in our relationship with God—does he become boring. We are meant to climb higher and higher and discover that there is no summit to God. The conquest is ongoing and will last into eternity.

Ultimately the opportunity and the ability to behold God and engage him fully in all his wondrous glory will be in the age to come when God fashions “a new heaven and a new earth” and merges them together for eternity. Indeed we must wait for the eternal age to come to fully encounter God in such a way that we can never exhaust whom God is, nor plumb the depths of His love for us. I believe in the age to come God will purposely subject himself to an unveiled, relational dynamic of discovery that will continually reveal new dimensions of life to be found in Him alone.

But…

Do we have to wait for heaven to begin such a relational dynamic with God? Do we have to wait for heaven before we can begin to taste and experience the infinite depths of a God who can never be exhausted and whose very existence results in new horizons to capture our wonder and amazement?

Not in the least.

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A Struggle in Loneliness Understood–part 1

I’ve been struggling with some loneliness lately–it is a battle I go through every so often as a single guy. I’ve also been struck with the nature of the human soul and its need of other humans souls. More specifically I’ve been giving no measure of small thought to question, “What kind of relationship does the soul most hunger for to stave off loneliness?”

I ask myself this because my current state of loneliness is not due to my isolation from people.Quite the opposite. I am surrounded with people and as the director of an orphanage with over two dozen children my soul is somewhat bombarded with other souls needing my attention. So how can loneliness of soul exist in a context where people abound?

Here are a few of my thoughts as I wrestle with this question. Though I am surrounded with children who look to me for guidance, encouragement, support and love, my ultimate aim is to raise them to a point where they can leave the “nest” and live apart from me in independence. In other words, the very development of our relationship and intimacy is built on a foundation of knowing the time will come when we will need to drift apart…to grow apart. In short my relationship with them is short-term. It is to be a catalyst to launch them into life and independence–without me. Their memories of me may travel with them–but my soul will not. It must say goodbye and retreat back into memories and photographs, with perhaps an occasional visit in which our souls are temporarily reunited–but only to say goodbye again. But that is the way it is meant to be in every parent-child relationship. There comes a point in time where all the love, all the intimacy, all the time spent is used to launch them into a new life apart from you.

The realization of all this has brought amount a profound sense of loneliness… and it has made me take a deeper look at marriage. Being currently unmarried I can see how marriage is attractive because it is the only relationship you can pour into, and pour into–again and again–with the goal being greater intimacy, closer ties, a stronger bond. There is no goodbye except in death. Therefore life is defined by growing intimacy for the ultimate purpose of greater intimacy–not independence. There is a deep longing in every soul for that place of mutual dependency and permanency. To think that the day may come that I find a woman that I can pour my soul into and who pours back into me “until death do us part” is a very compelling thought.

However even if I were to find myself in a fulfilling marriage one day, I know that it is unrealistic to expect that loneliness will never visit my soul again. This tells me the soul was created for something even beyond the intimacy of marriage to another human. The fact that the soul is a mysterious, immaterial creation–not an accident of colliding molecules–tells us something. The created soul “hungers and thirsts” for its Creator. In the age to come I don’t think there will be any loneliness because the veil between heaven and earth will be removed and God, fully revealed in glory and splendor, will capture the wonder of our soul in ways that even an eternity will never be able to exhaust.

My next post will talk about the human attraction to wonder and how God alone can ultimately satisfy our need to be amazed.

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Spiritualizing the Romanticized “Soul Mate” Myth

Click here to read an outstanding critique of how the church does great harm to young people in being complicit with a self-centered perspective of marriage by propagating and spiritualizing the “soul mates” myth as romanced in many a movie and novel. There is nothing wrong with being “picky” and “choosy” in order to find someone you are compatible with and attracted to, but the concept of the predestined “one–and only one–soul mate” has gone way too far and derailed many marriages.

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Gay Marriage, Gay Contempt–both Desacralize the Sacred

In my last post I highlighted a quote by author and speaker Ravi Zacharias who was asked the following question, “Why do Christians see racism as wrong but don’t see opposing homosexuality as equally wrong?” In response Zacharias made the following point, “The reason we are against racism is because a person’s race is sacred. A person’s ethnicity is sacred. You cannot violate it. My race is sacred; your race is sacred; I dare not violate it. The reason we react against the issue of homosexuality the way we do is because  sexuality is sacred.”

That last point really does get to the heart of the issue in regards to the current debate over gay marriage. Christians simply cannot celebrate and affirm gay marriage because we believe both marriage and sex are sacred (i.e. associated with a divine idea or ordination). “For this reason [i.e. marriage] a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (Gen. 2:24, Mt. 19:5)

Christians believe that marriage is ultimately about sexual biology not sexual preference. If it was about sexual preference, then marriage could be just about anyone or anything someone sexually prefers–and in our world today a lot of deviant and degenerate preferences can fall under that category. This is the problem the “other side” wants to simply dismiss as irrelevant–but it is not. It goes to the core issue. If we start saying, “love is all you need” and “sexual preference is enough” to redefine marriage and justify one’s proclivities, then I want to know on what basis can someone tell another person that his unique sexual proclivity and preference is unacceptable?

In states like California mental health professionals and legislators are already calling pedophilia a “sexual orientation.” Therefore if someone wanted to have his “natural,” sexual preference to young boys be lawfully condoned, how would it not be discrimination to disavow him acting on that orientation or being hired as an elementary teacher? What about a man who wanted to have his marriage to four women be legally recognized as legitimate? How about a father who wanted to marry his daughter, or an uncle his niece, truly believing he loved her and she loved him? On what basis can one say, “Nope–that is outside the boundary of acceptable love and preference!” If a bi-sexual who prefers both sexes wanted to marry both a man and a woman, on what objective basis can one reject his or her “right” to marry both?

I never get a straight answer to this. Usually I am told, “Those issues are altogether unrelated and irrelevant because gays and lesbians reject those views too!” Granted that may be true. But the question is not, “What do gays and lesbians also reject?” The question is, “If love and sexual preference is ‘all you need’ for justification then on what objective, moral basis do you affirm the one as lawful and sacred and condemn the others?”

As I see it the challenge for Christians is to sincerely and gently point out that while “love is all you need” sounds great in theory it falls woefully short in God’s mind in being able to sufficiently undergird the sacred ordination of marriage. Given that sacred signifies divinely inspired we would be remiss in thinking that God’s rejection and therefore the church’s rejection of gay marriage is simply arbitrary or capricious. Not so–it is established on reason. [1]

The ruin of a nation begins with its families. A nation is nothing more than a collection of communities and those communities are in turn a collection of smaller communities called families. I’ve been living and working in Cambodia for almost 5 years now and the scourge of its abandoned, neglected and orphaned children is a direct result of the breakdown of the family–sometimes due to death and poverty but mostly due to ethical poverty and unfaithfulness. I oversee an orphanage and we do our best to be a family, but I have realized there is no substitute for the family as God intended it. And God’s ideal should always be encouraged in every possible manner. Approving of and celebrating gay marriages is not progression but regression.

The fact is that families with caring mothers and fathers are indispensable to the well-being of children. Decades of social research backs that claim up.[2] But should it surprise us to learn that this is true? Should it surprise us that research consistently shows that mothers and fathers are uniquely gifted to meet different needs, both psychological and emotional in the lives of their children–needs that result in dysfunction when they remain unmet? Should it surprise us to learn that on average children from single-parent homes struggle in life and are less successful than children from duel parent homes?

When we understand that both a mother and a father are indispensable in producing a child, should it really be a contentious claim to state that those same two people are indispensable in the rearing up of that child in a healthy and balanced manner?

The liberal agenda is to ignore these realities and be outright dismissive of both current research, nature and thousands of years of history, while not perfect, has nonetheless allowed the human race to flourish and not die out. Lesbian couples would say fatherhood is irrelevant–except for that sperm donor thing. Gay couples would say mothers are irrelevant–except for that all important 9-month womb period.

The point is marriage is the God-designed union that allows male and female sexes to become husband and wife and potentially become father and mother. Even in the case of an older man marrying an older woman who is no longer able to bear children, the underlying sacred nature of complimentary sex is present. Describing marriage as a “union based on sexual preference” is far too vague, nebulous and dangerous. As I see it the argument isn’t one about rights, but about proper description. In other words every individual has the right to marry–i.e. to enter into the definition of marriage.

It is not bigoted or discriminatory to put forth the motion that one must accord with what a definition is in order to be described by that definition. That is to say a union of two people must accord with what marriage is by definition in order to be qualified as a marriage. And as far as the church is concerned same-sex marriage is more or less an oxymoron and incoherent. There are gay couples and there are married couples. They have no bearing on one another. One is defined by the union being same-sex. The other is a union defined as male and female.

Sacredness can be a double edged sword. Because the church believes marriage is sacred–that means it doesn’t owe its legitimacy to any secular government or piece of legislation. In some sense the government really doesn’t have anything to do with marriage per se–and for much history it never did in Christendom. If anarchy were to ensue and government were to disappear marriages would not. Marriage is ultimately the realm of a church or some other religious body.

Now what government can do is grant legal status to unions called “marriages” for the accruing of certain state/civilian benefits. What gay couples really want is to define their own unions as a “marriage” because current law only affords certain tax breaks and other benefits to married couples. But as stated earlier, Christians hold that marriage is anchored in a sacred description based on sex not sexual preference. Therefore it is not open for re-defining. So even if a government were to legally define gay couples as married couples it would not change the Church’s scriptural position on the matter. A church whose rule of faith is governed by scripture simply can’t affirm or sanction such a radical re-description of sacred marriage.

But does that mean I have a duty or obligation as a Christian to try and use legislative means to prohibit the state from endorsing gay unions as marriages? No. But does that mean that as a citizen of the state, I should resign myself to bad ideas that will negatively affect my secular society? No again. As a citizen of the state with a vested interest in the health of my society, I see many reasons why attempts to legalize gay-marriage are misguided and unhealthy. Obviously decent citizens on both sides of this issue feel differently, but the point is both groups are within their rights to try and make their case through channels afforded to them by the state.

The distinction between secular citizenry and Christian faith is crucial for the following reason. If I–as a citizen–believe that legalization of “gay marriage” is going to lead to deleterious consequences for my society, does that belief therefore necessitate that it is my “Christian duty” to restrict or oppose the secular state in offering the same state and federal tax benefits to gay couples as married couples. No it does not.

However–and it’s a big HOWEVER– don’t ask me to hold it up in church as a marriage! As stated the only thing governments do for marriages is grant them a legal status for the accruing of certain state and federal privileges. If the secular state wants to allow gay couples to be afforded the same benefits as married couples, that is a decision completely outside the jurisdiction of the church. To be clear: as a rational citizen of the state, do I think it will be good for society, families and children in the long run? No–I do not. On  the other hand, though I may have grave misgivings about it as a state-citizen, I don’t have any scriptural mandate as a Christian to try and stop it. [3] Why? Because first I’m not called by God make the secular state adopt what the church holds to be sacred! Rather I’m called to showcase the sacred values of the Kingdom of God, like the sacredness of marriage, through faithful witness in the church–not government legislation or the state.

Given this fact, don’t tell me I’m a bigot when I say the Church can’t recognize gay couples as married couples–by definition! And don’t tell certain churches they can be charged with discrimination if they refuse to sanction gay unions as sacred marriages. For Christians who hold to revelatory scripture as their guiding principle and rule of faith, it is simply irrational and groundless to speak of two men as married. I can’t call two women or two men living together a marriage anymore than I can call a bachelor married! A gay marriage and a married bachelor are both incoherent because they both fail to meet the description of how God defines the sacred institution of marriage.

So Christians believe marriage is sacred–therefore it is not subject to human re-interpretation or re-description. It is for that reason that the Church can never endorse, celebrate or sanction gay couples as married couples.

That being said I want to turn the page and now argue further that much of Christendom’s intense campaign to enter the political fray–as if it is their Christian duty–and legislate their sacred views on sex and marriage upon a secular populace is ill-conceived from the outset. Why? Because God did not instruct the church to compel the secular populace to have the appearance of the church. God never instructed us take what is sacred in the church and force it upon a secular culture to be adopted. Rather our job is to point the way to the Kingdom and out of sin’s slavery and a secular worldview–not drown it out and crowd it out with protests and picket signs. Usually a strategy or approach that is ill-conceived is strewn with sticky tar pits and pit holes that unfortunately ensnare the well-meaning efforts of the sincere.

I can fully understand the need to take a stand if the powers-that-be were to ever try to force churches or pastors to sanction or bless same-sex marriages. But that is not the issue before us today. Maybe one day it will be, and the Church could be bullied and mistreated by our own government for remaining faithful to sacred scripture. Well– the Bible calls that persecution and Jesus told us to expect it if we intend to follow him wholeheartedly. American Christians have for so long identified an allegiance to the Kingdom of God with a patriotic allegiance to America, that the idea that American could one day persecute the Church is incomprehensible and must be preempted at all costs. But scripture no where tells us we are to preserve some sort of status quo homeostasis with the world to preempt her from persecuting us. But again–this simply isn’t the issue before us today. What is before us is the sincere yet misguided desire on the part of many well-intentioned Christians to want to see the secular populace reflect and copy the sacred life of the church community–and to use legislative law to force that reflection and appearance.

In other words my concern involves the increasing trend in many Christians thinking to see government as the divine tool of the Kingdom of God to validate what is sacred and reveal and preserve the “Christian way” in the secular society. Not only is that nowhere to be seen in Scripture, but that’s just not how it works. John 13:35 speaks of the fact that the secular world “will know us by our love”–not our laws.

In the sincere intensity of seeking to defend traditional marriage in the populace many Christians have unwittingly become very hateful and unloving towards others. And that is something not at all sacred. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Christians need to affirm and celebrate gay marriage–that would be equally misguided. As stated earlier, gay marriage misses the mark of God’s ideal–and that is the very definition of the Greek word sin (harmartia = to miss the mark). Therefore as ambassadors and representatives of God’s Kingdom ideal we need to speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15). But therein is the rub. To speak the truth un-lovingly is to equally miss the mark of God’s ideal–which means we ironically have on hand a whole lot of Christians sinning in their efforts to speak out against perceived sin!

In their efforts to preserve a sacred understanding of marriage, their words, their tone, and their internal attitude has deteriorated into a very desacralized place. Gay marriage and contempt of gays as persons of value– both desacralize the sacred.

[1] http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/homosexual-parenting-is-it-time-for-change/

[2] http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/homosexual-parenting-is-it-time-for-change/

[3] For a secular argument against accepting homosexuality as normative and healthy click here. 

-Strider MTB

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Isn’t Opposing both Racism and Gay Marriage Inconsistent? No.

Given the nature of today’s debate surrounding gay marriage, it is quite common to hear the following question: “Why is it that Christians who oppose racism and bigotry in the church don’t see the hypocrisy in being equally opposed to homosexuality in the church? For example isn’t opposing gay marriage it’s own form of bigotry and discrimination?”

This is a good and fair question and deserves better treatment than it usually gets from the average pulpit.

Today I heard a thought-provoking answer as to why Christians don’t see an alleged contradiction in opposing both racism and homosexual behavior (as opposed to disposition).

“The reason we are against racism is because a person’s race is sacred. A person’s ethnicity is sacred. You cannot violate it. My race is sacred; your race is sacred; I dare not violate it. The reason we react against the issue of homosexuality the way we do is because sexuality is sacred. You cannot violate it. How do you treat one as sacred and desacrelize the other? Sex is a sacred gift of God. I can no longer justify an aberration of it in somebody else’s life than I can justify my own proclivities to go beyond my marital boundaries.

Every man here who is an able-bodied man will tell you temptation stalks you every day. Does it have anything to do with your love for your spouse? Probably not, because you can love your spouse with 100% desire to love the person, but the human body reacts to the sight entertained by the imagination and gives you all kinds of false hints that stolen waters are going to be sweeter. They are not. They leave you emptier. So a disposition or a proclivity does not justify expressing that disposition and that proclivity. That goes across the board for all sexuality.”[1]

Though I agree with this quote I would also argue that much of Christendom’s intense campaign to enter the political fray and legislate their sacred views on sex and marriage upon a secular populace because it is our Christian duty is ill-conceived from the outset. Usually a strategy or approach that is ill-conceived is strewn with sticky tar and pitfalls that unfortunately ensnare the well-meaning efforts of the sincere. I hope to write more on this in my upcoming post: “Gay Marriage, Gay Bashing–both Desacralize what is Sacred.”

[1] The quote is by the Indian American author and speaker Ravi Zacharias. He goes on to add further insightful remarks. You can watch the video recording of his answer in full here. 
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